Mouse lag [MX510]

[emailvoorbm]

Hey, im new to this and linux too.

I really like this software and tutorials.
I followed the general english torturial:
http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5

Used the USB boot method, installed the latest live ubuntu v 11.04 (with Persistent)

All works fine, only cant seem to get the mouse to work properly (button's work fine).
Made my own configuration file for my keyboard and mouse.
Mouse: Logitech MX510, i think it has only 800 dpi, but not sure.

Another weird thing is that i cant seem te get my mouse sensitivity higher in ubuntu, i disabled mouse acceleration in ubuntu and set the sensitivity to the max, but my mouse speed is still a bit slow.
Maybe this is the problem?

calibration tut: http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39
Becouse when i calibrate my mouse in the emulator, i have to set the X or sensitivity to numbers like 15 to 20 to get a decent sensitivity in-game (black-ops, so i set acceleration to 0.39). The higher x becomes the more mouse lag u can get ?
I tested it without GUI, calibrate, terminal too, its still laggy.

Or can it be my Bluetooth adapter?
Im using my bluetooth from my laptop: Vaio VGN-NW21SF
Can my bluetooth be too slow for this emulator?
My movement seems good in COD blackops, running and shooting, only turning my mouse doesnt go smooth.

i saw this tut too for changing the mouse rate:
http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28
what rate should i use for my mouse?

Sorry for the all the questions, but still got 1 more
Why cant i change the DPI value in the configuration program?
It stands on 2000 DPI, but when i change it it jumps back to that value.

[McKack]

The mouse sensitivity (or acceleration) in Ubuntu doesn't matter since GIMX reads raw data from the mouse itself.

800DPI is a little bit low, yes - I used the MX518 before which is 1600 and that barely got me by.

Try setting the polling rate to 250 (same as the tutorial so you can basically copy-paste the example). This really helped reduce lag and hiccups for me, but a new mouse made a world of difference.
Just to make it super clear (some people make this devastating, but honest mistake):

Correct:

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-r usbhid
usbhid mousepoll=4

Wrong:

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-r usbhid
usbhid mousepoll=250

The replace mouse DPI function doesn't "change" the DPI per se, it recalculates the multipliers in the config based on DPI used by the creator of the config, and DPI of current user of the config.
When I post my configs, for example, I list the DPI I used so people know what to input when they convert it to their own. Future versions of GIMX will store the DPI in the config to make this easier.

[emailvoorbm]

hmmm oke, so the problem is the low sensitivty of my mouse itself (DPI).

i changed the usb polling rate to 250 hz, it seemed a bit better, will try 500 hz tomorrow.
i made the exponent a bit higher too in my config becouse then i make turning a bit faster.

my mouse calibration so far for COD black ops:

x = 17 <<< this is my problem, when i set exponent to 0.39, i need to higher this value alot lol
x/y = 2.2
exponent = 0.48
deadzone 22

[Matlo]

This is a quote from another thread, which is about the MX500, and may apply to the MX510 as well:

The DPI value is 400 by default, but it can be changed to 800. 400 is a low value. 800 is better, but it's far away from the 5700+ of the latest gaming mice.

There is a tool called "locomo" that can change the dpi value. I don't know the exact mouse list that work with this tool, but the MX500 is supported. See the tool webpage: link.

There is a tutorial there: link.

Read the part "Section 3: lomoco (Resolution, etc.) (Optional)".

The next GIMX release will include some mouse smoothing options that hopefully will make these low-DPI mice work better.

[McKack]

Ouch, 400? Yeah that would definitely explain the lag.

Semi-related note, really excited about 0.24!

[emailvoorbm]

increasing the mouse polling rate made it much smoother, but the mouse will still lagg.
Like the gameplay is fluid, but the mouse lags behind, like a sort of delay.
(this is with mouse calibration x=23 exponent=0.39)

I tried to install locomo, but dont know how to do that lol.
Maybe locomo's version is too old? or i got no admin rights in my live ubuntu?

When i type: ./autogen.sh
i get this:
./autogen.sh: 16: automake: not found
[: 35: Illegal number:
[: 35: Illegal number:
./autogen.sh: 47: autoconf: not found
[: 59: Illegal number:
[: 59: Illegal number:
Configuring build environment for lomoco
...
./autogen.sh: 87: aclocal: not found

When i type: ./configure --prefix=/usr
i get this:
bash: ./configure: No such file or directory

i extracted the package on my desktop

ty for the help so far.
i bought a new mouse now with 3500 DPI, the razor abyssus.
I hope when i get my mouse on monday or tuesday the lag will be gone!

mouse lag is something like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl32TZsLp8c

[Matlo]

Did you tried:

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sudo apt-get install lomoco

?

Are you sure it's lag (=latency), and not jitter? If you click on a mouse button, is there any latency, compared to a real sixaxis? Are large movements smooth & responsive compared to slow movements?

What are the dongle chip and manufacturer?

[emailvoorbm]

Thx!

Now i installed that program, and typed in: lomoco --help
Now i got it on 800 DPI i think, with: lomoco --800

I had to remake my usb boot live ubuntu for the second time.
Becouse my internet didnt work anymore under ubuntu, I says it was connected but couldnt connect to a server like www.google.com.
Before that my graphic driver was failing i think, becouse when i started ubuntu up i only got changing colors in my screen.
Need to remake my config now too for the second time, lol.

today i got the bluecore4-rom dongel, at first i used my standard bluetooth adapter that was internal in my laptop (vaio VGN-NW21SF). Integrated Stereo A2DP Bluetooth® Technology (2.1+EDR.).

Im gonna remake my config for COD: black ops now, will post improvements.

[emailvoorbm]

Now it works alot better, all the things i did now to fix it (sort of fixed it):

hardware:
- USB stick (with live ubuntu 11.04 + Persistent)
- logitech mx510
- Bluetooth bluecore4-rom dongel
- vaio VGN-NW21SF laptop keyboard (only got 3 usb ports lol)

Ubuntu:
- changed mouse polling rate to 250 Hz (option 4)
http://gimx.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28.

- installed lomoco for logitech mouse, changing MX510 DPI from 400 to 800:
sudo apt-get install lomoco
sudo lomoco --800
sudo lomoco -i (now you see if i has changed, you can see the polling rate too)

- made a new config file for COD: black ops
(ctrl+h to see hidden files)
mouse calibration settings:

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x = 18.30
x/y = 2.20
deadzone x,y = 22
exponent x,y = 0.39
shape = circle

With these settings it's playable for playing black ops, but still feel a bit of a delay when i turn around with my mouse fast (but it goes smooth). But I am a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to aiming in games lol, always want like a 1:1 ratio with my input. So the mouse still lag's a bit behind with fast movements, but its allright i guess.
I dont know how you programmed the conversion from joystick to mouse, but with a lower then 800 DPI mouse i think it will get you a bit of mouse lag with a high X value in the calibration (you will need a value of 18 or higher too get a nice sensitivity).

I allready ordered a new mouse: Razor abyssus 3500 dpi, so i think the little lag will be gone when i try it with the new mouse!
Will post an update when i get my new mouse.
Too bad the shop were i ordered it just changed the status too: not in stock

Thx for all the help guys.